CHUCK OCTAGON – Jeff Van Dreason Have you ever refused to forgive someone for something? INTERVIEW 1 Mmm. Yes. One time when my dad called, uhh, the cops on me. Um, uhh, I was…uhh, at that point, uhh, I told him, uhh, you know, for a long time I’m – I’m — uhh — this was back when I was younger, I told him for a long time, I’m not I’m never gonna talk to you or anything like that and. Uhh. It took a while, but then I was, you know, I was able to get over it. ‘Cause, you know, it’s a long time ago, and I thought I’d never get over it, but you know, uhh, in life you just have to let go of things.
CHUCK OCTAGON – Jeff Van Dreason Can you think of a time when you were desperate for a specific piece of information, or had some news you were anxious about hearing?
Oooh, uhh, when Trump became president. I remember that. I was like…oh, the day before um I was so anxious and I was like, aheh, I don’t think this is going to happen, but you never know, and then like it happened and ….
[Charlie on the MTA begins to play] CHUCK OCTAGON
Did you wait up to….see the results?
INTERVIEW 1 No, I didn’t. I was so scared. I was like, if I keep – oh my gosh, it was so bad. I was like, if I keep like wrestling and like thinking about this? I’m never going to be able to like…go to bed or anything. So…yeah. I couldn’t. I could not.